LineageOS supports a higher number of phones than /e/OS.
No AOSP done by Google as a base = no LineageOS = no /e/OS. Thank you, Google.
Android security updates done by Google for the whole Android realm to adopt including Custom ROMs. Thank you, Google.
Have you considered running pure Linux on your phone? Without it needing an Android version to install on top of it?
Else, whether you are a friend of Google or not, Google supplied most parts of any Android OS you run.
If your philosophy is to say thank you when you are enslaved, when your freedom of choice is taken away, when you are robbed, to say thank you to Satan, then we have no path!
I am closer to the philosophy of the Free Software Foundation!
I found a very useful link for you to read the information Google's Software Is Malware - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
Thanks to Google
Google tracks the movements of Android phones and iPhones running Google apps, and sometimes saves the data for years.
Nonfree software in the phone has to be responsible for sending the location data to Google.
This typically takes the form of malicious functionalities.
Thanks to Google
Google automatically installed an app on many proprietary Android phones. The app might or might not do malicious things but the power Google has over proprietary Android phones is dangerous.
Thanks to Google
Google is modifying Chromium so that extensions wonât be able to alter or block whatever the page contains. Users could conceivably reverse the change in a fork of Chromium, but surely Chrome (nonfree) will have the same change, and users canât fix it there.
etc.
exactly, I chose e/OS because microg is already implemented, otherwise itâs no more complicated than installing lineageOS on which e/OS is based.
What if I donât have LG G6?
I took a guess based on your post history. Itâs conjecture, but I had nothing else to base it on.
As for whats app and banking applications, the user himself cannot refuse it, I come to the bank and if they ask me for whats app I say that I donât have it, I also tell my friends about it and this solves many problems. No need to compromise, delete and forget whats app and other garbage!
Iâm having a little bit of difficulty understanding what youâre getting at here, but my interpretation is that youâre getting at the idea that apps which canât run without MicroG are inherently problematic and that it is compromise to do so. To that end, I would agree that it is compromise, and the beauty of /e/OS is that it makes that compromise possible.
Where I am genuinely in a place of misunderstanding is the desired functionality of /e/OS, such that itâs worth using over a pure LineageOS build, but isnât contingent on MicroG. It really sounds like either an AOSP build of LineageOS, or GrapheneOS, or PostmarketOS would better suit your needs based on what youâve said youâre looking for.
Later in the thread, you said:
If your philosophy is to say thank you when you are enslaved, when your freedom of choice is taken away, when you are robbed, to say thank you to Satan, then we have no path!
To that, I state that I have no great love for Google either, largely for the reasons you specified: too much data collection, too much location data, the insidious normalization of putting oneâs data on someone elseâs computer, and so forth. Itâs why I run /e/OS instead of the usual Google stuff, as do most of us here.
But also, Iâd like to unpack this gem:
I am closer to the philosophy of the Free Software Foundation!
The philosophy of the FSF has to do with software licensing. It started because Stallman couldnât help a friend fix a printer because the driver was closed-source, which in turn encouraged the creation of the GPL and the copyleft movement. /e/OS has its source code on Gitlab. I forget which OSS license is used (MIT, if I had to guess), but the FSF advocates forâŚexactly what the /e/Foundation does. Admittedly, the FSF would probably prefer the use of GPL, but within the scope weâre discussing, that doesnât have a quantifiable impact.
To summarize the nature of your request, as I understand it, you want:
IâŚI think that might be a tall order for a community of volunteers.
Thank you for your detailed answer.
As for the choice of operating system and what is no less important, the phone for this operating system.
You suggested: AOSP build of LineageOS, or GrapheneOS, or PostmarketOS, perhaps these options worked, but there is a BUT âŚ
GrapheneOS is not suitable because if you look at their list of devices, these are devices from Google, which in itself is funny, so that their developer does not write about the super security of the operating system on various forums (I read)
LineageOS is not suitable because my question was related to the fact that I would like NOT to use MicroG, I do not need MicroG because I do not use Google!
PostmarketOS is probably the best option, but there are some nuancesâŚ
You forgot to mention two operating systems, this is https://divestos.org, but the problem with this operating system is that there is no root rights, meaning you are not the owner of the phone ((
https://www.replicant.us/ As I understand it, the developer is currently working with Pinephone NLnet; Replicant on Pinephone 1.2
I suggested an option so that a user who needs MicroG could use it in
/e/OS if he does not need a compromise in the form of MicroG, then he could not use it.
Thereâs room to differentiate and reality has a whole range of grey for us to see, not only black and white.
I chose to use an Android OS in clear view of Google and their portfolio of deeds, and so did you.
I still support making microG optional if it can be done without harm to /e/OS functionality.
you are right, LineageOS builds are supplied without MicroG, which unfortunately /e/OS does not have ((((
/e/ OS without microg is pretty much exactly LinageOS without microg. Just use LinageOS, without microg. Job done. No more issues. If you like you can install DavX and Nextcloud and use it with murena.io.
That is complete nonsense:
Lineage OS supports more than 200 different phones ( see here). And each device has one or more official maintainer who can an will deal with device-specfic issues.
According to /e/'s âSmartphone Selectorâ page
Number of Smartphones officially supported by /e/OS : 180
Of those 180
Warning! Unless marked as âOfficialâ many devices here are not intended for daily use.
All builds labelled as âCommunityâ have not been fully tested and may contain major bugs.
So /e/ officially supports less than 10% of the phones that are officially supported by LineageOS.
I really donât understand this. As far as I know, LineageOS has no ties to Google, except that, like all organisations that ship Android software - including /e/ - their builds are based on, and include most of the code from, Googleâs AOSP.
Difficult to âbuyâ LineageOS: itâs an open source project maintained entirely by volunteers. Worth reading this (very old) Reddit post from one of the nine directors of The LineageOS project. In particular the following:
I fully expect the other 8 to keep me accountable, and if I randomly wake up one day and think âIâm going to go take VC funding to make this an actual company and make moneyâ, I fully expect them to walk away with the project, rename it, and continue doing what theyâre doing. At the end of the day, this project isnât anything without its contributors and users, and I donât expect any of them to stick around through Inc 2.0, if that were to ever happen.
But apart from those basic errors, I fully agree with the rest of your post 
More nonsense. I do not use Google, but I do use several apps that expect some of Googles libraries and APIs to be available on phones running Android. microG allows this apps to function, without using Google, by providing replacements for those libraries and APIs.
Edit:
Time to give up on this âdiscussionâ: itâs like talking to an AI programmed to put together words and concepts in ways that make no sense whatsoever! Life is too short!
Hello. Thank you for your opinion.
As for the number of supported devices, /e/OS and LineageOS do not have the same models.
It is important that you understand me correctly. I suggested, in my opinion, the best possible option for /e/OS, namely:
Install /e/OS without MicroG
Install /e/OS with MicroG
This will significantly increase the status of /e/OS!!!
As for not using Google applications and your other examples, this is your personal point of view, since I do not need ANY Google services to use the phone and most importantly, my path is to avoid using anything related to this evil corporation and not vice versa. I gave a link to the FSF where everything is written in more than detail!
Itâs not an opinion itâs a fact. Numbers donât lie.
Every phone supported by /e/, officially or by the community, is supported by LineageOS, with the exception of three phones made specifically for /e/ - Gigaset GS290, Murena One, Murena Two,{EDIT:] and possibly a small number of Samsung devices.
So /e/ supports three devices that LineageOS does not. Lineage supports at least twenty, and probably nearer thirty five, devices that /e/ OS does not. So your statement that
LineageOS doesnât have such a choice of phones, unlike /e/OS.
is wrong. Your statement is not an opinion. It appears to be a statement of fact but it is not it is wrong. The fact that you say something does not make it true.
From what I can tell, just about every statement you have made in this discussion is at best misleading and most of the plain wrong.
I am not going to try to debate with you: there is no point - most of your arguments have no basis in fact. But I will continue to point out the statements you make that are demonstrably wrong. And I will also start flagging up such statements to the moderators. The great value of these forums is significantly reduced if people can get away with making statements that are clearly and demonstrably wrong.
You need to be more careful, these links are for you, your text that I highlighted is misleading users.
LineageOS Devices | LineageOS Wiki
Smartphone Selector choose Samsung and compare carefully with LineageOS wiki
No. If there are more phones that are supported by /e/OS and not supported by LineageOS, please list them. And /e/OS still only âsupportâ 180 phones compared with LineageOS more than 200 (211 at the last count). So your statement that
LineageOS doesnât have such a choice of phones, unlike /e/OS.
was wrong and is still wrong.
I will take on trust your statement that /e/ OS may support some Samsung device that LineagOS does not, and I have edited my post accordingly. You are still wrong about the numbers.
Before criticizing, you need to understand what the user wants to tell you. If you made a mistake and I pointed out your mistake, you need not to redict, but to admit that you are wrong! If you did not understand what I wanted to say and tore out the sentence from the text, then you will not understand the meaning!
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