@facb69, did you think about this?
When SMSing, or calling over the phone number, you are using the ISP’s framework? Often, ISPs are super bad for privacy…
@donut3
Yeah, I know that. 
Actually I rarely use my phone for texting or calling.
And my goal is to use Nextcloud Talk for both.
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That’s great! I think it’s the best way to go.
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Well, this thread has become so much larger on messengers in general (an not so much on Telegram as intended initially), that I have something else to contribute.
The Gemran armed forces are testing Matrix as a possible solution for the future army messenger “bwMessenger”. The French government who opted for Matrix as core for the governmental messenger seems to have inspired German government officials.
An article that is currently only available in German, states that in parallel the German chancellors’ office is running tests with “Wire” whereas regional Police departments are already working with solutions based XMPP. Good to see that on governmental level open source solutions are been taken more and more into consideration. Hopefully, many more will follow.
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i agree this is really great!
@facb69, I thought maybe this could be interesting to you. There a white hat hacker congress on privacy and IT security currently taking place in Germany. One of the talks was focusing on messengers: What’s left for private messaging?
Also there is Cyphr by golden frog (swiss company)
Edit: When looking in their app, it seems there is many google trackers which is a shame 
After reading @blackpoint 's comment, I read this:
Who can we trust these days??? 
I’m used to never trust anyone or any company without trying to check e re-check the facts surrounding… 
And I can’t explain but I never got used to Telegram even without knowing this facts you pointed out.
Maybe we all should get back to dumb phones 
Life was easier back in the days.
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Damn…this is an absurd!
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The SEC official website also states the claim.
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That is something I wasn’t aware of at all, definitely no way out of these greedy and shady business all around… when something is too good to be true is often because it is.
I agree with you that Telegram could be improved. Mainly because it does not use recognized and audited crypto protocols but a ‘home grown’ closed source.
https://www.csoonline.com/article/3273344/what-is-telegram-and-is-it-secure.html
old but still useful
https://www.eff.org/pages/secure-messaging-scorecard
Best secure chat, voice, video apps are Signal and Wire.
The fact that Russia blocked Telegram is positive for me, not negative!!! Does not being blocked by anyone, let alone a communist country, show a high level of trustworthiness?
Personally, I love the philosophy of Telegram!
Although I agree with your general point, I think you should know that Russia hasn’t been communist for about 30 years.
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Ok, you’re right… Externally, but still heavily socialist, one step from communism.
Thanks for the point, though 
except… it’s also important who runs an initiative, the organization behind it, i mean. That for me is the only thing that Signal does better than Telegram: it’s run by a nonprofit foundation. Telegram isn’t
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I know this is yet another messenger to throw in the mix but I recently found out about this one:
https://getsession.org/
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