@Andy1 thanks for the warm welcome! and the many references!
Conclusion: I can tell my friends and relatives that /e/ is an un-glooged android, and that to assess the validity of that claim they can read this and that and such and so post in de forum, peruse a million lines of code and/or install a network sniffer to see for themselves…
I want to be open to you, today I bought a second hand Nexus 5, installed Ubuntu Touch and started a new adventure. I might come back, don’t know anything for sure at the moment.
What info sends to Google for apps messaging service? IMEI? IP address? Wifi MAC address? Device model and hardware? Android version? Cell service provider?
That’s great news, keep us on the loop on how you do with Ubuntu!
Maybe we just went a little out of hand with providing too much information, which can be overwhelming. Let me just address something you said above:
Conclusion: I can tell my friends and relatives that /e/ is an un-glooged android, and that to assess the validity of that claim they can read this and that and such and so post in de forum, peruse a million lines of code and/or install a network sniffer to see for themselves…
The reality is that you are trusting someone to provide you with drinkable water, gluten-free bread, PH-neutral bathing salts, etc. But how you do assess the validity of those claims other than cross reference resources already written by reputable authorities on the matter?
My point is: you either trust what we say here or verify it yourself. We are only trying to build up trust by backing our claims with information that you can read and reference. There is no other way for us to make you believe that “we are right”.
/e/ is no silver bullet (neither is Ubuntu Touch), it’s a small project with limited resources that hasn’t even come out of beta phase yet. There’s a long way to go until it fits your needs, until then I say you should keep an eye because it is one of the most promising alternatives to achieve an ungoogled phone.
@PNJ88_Beast I feel your concern. But at the same time you are missing my point. You have not giving me too much information. You have not given me the information I asked for. I am asking for an official statement of the /e/ organization about the state of affairs concerning un-Googling Android. A sensible statement that shows that you really know what is needed and that shows the size of the task, what is achieved, and what is still under development, or what will not be solved. And because this is the primary reason of existence for /e/, what quality controls do you have in place? What independent expert controls have been done? How will you handle new android versions. Etc. Hold yourself accountable for your primary claim. This is too important to let it reside in haphazard forum threads or stories in friendly magazines.
You compare this with food I buy in a shop. Let’s follow that line for a moment. If I would eat a particular food item for one month, without health complaints, would that be convincing to you if I say ‘Hey, this stuff is really safe!’. For food there is a Food&Drug Administration that sets criteria, runs admission procedures, takes samples for a lab, etc. Producers are obliged to follow procedures in preparing. If there is a risk, the consumer is informed and can take his own decision. I know you know, but I am telling this as illustration for the mindset.
if I trace all network traffic of an clean installed /e/ phone for half an hour, and then say ‘hey guys, /e/ is 100% ungoogled!’ would you believe me?
Good intentions, working hard, repeating ‘privcay-concern slogans’ is not enough.
Apologies for repeating myself over and over. Some friendly posts trigger me…
Ah, I see now sorry to keep running in circles like that. As far as I know there is no such statement nor I can give you one since I’m not part of the project. I agree that an official statement detailing how /e/ is making progress would be highly beneficial.
I expect that statement to come eventually, maybe with the 1.0 version release. For what is worth, you can kind of see what progress has been made through the latest updates posted in the forum, afterall actions speak louder than words so to speak. For your reference:
There is this external review and is interesting to read about the issues /e/ had, and how there has been some progress (even if there’s still a lot of work left to do). Is not a full audit of the code or anything like that, but one of the most in depth reviews that I know of.
Car builders do. But can you really trust them (CO/NOx, for example) ?
And for that enormous (and dangerous) industry, with so much $$$ across the world, how many trustable “independent expert controls” ?
Perhaps your asking is a little bit “too much” for a such little team… Want to buy the “/e/ company” ???
Hey there. Just wanted to give my full support and appreciation to /e/ and all the people working in the project for the great work they’re doing. Using /e/OS is a treat for me. It’s giving me the best way off G**gle I could ever imagine, it’s priceless. Bless
