I am looking atinstalling E OS, and was told that it is not overly hard ot install with out th einstaller.
I also noticed that on a number of Pixels(pixel 8 not included), the play store integrity is basic. What does that mean?
I am looking at gettiong aphone and tryign it.
I tried long ahgo an dfailed. Some one did help me, an deventually, th ephone stopped working after an upgrade. It wa salso nolonger on the compatible list. I stopped using e os then.
On th ephone tht Murena sells, the pixel 8, it says Basic. It seems like on all other phone not sold by murena, they says “basic - to be confirmed”. What does that mean? Buy a to be confirmed phone, install it, and it “might” work?
Buying a phone and setting it up takes time and money. Just want to make sure that it wi actualy work:)
I am not here to coplain, just understand what the implications of using one phone vs another.
Lets say that Intergrity is the state of being whole, entire and implied trustworthy.
Our Advertising agency masters devise a test and a score from 0, 1, 2, 3.
The device with a score 3 can be trusted by app developers and Google clients to fully harvest the behaviour and data of the consumers using the device.
The device I use with a community release has a score of zero (not Basic); Google cannot tell their clients that they can reliably harvest my data.
A device with score 1, Basic, will have a locked bootloader and appear to be connected to a named Google account. This device is said by Google to have a higher integrity.
Pixel 8 shiba is available with official release and a lockable bootloader.
So, if integrety is a moving target with a community release, and itis unknown of/when we will be able to use the google store, than it possibly might not work.
Why is one lockable and the other not? They are all E OS, right? THose not officially supported/released by murena, do not get the lockable version?
A big draw to e oS, is not being watched from google taking data form me, as well as the ability of using google store. When google store is not available, they ease of use is reduced wince apps I need and not available.
The only way seems to be to use an official release, right?
I guess it is a moving target as Google do not tell us in advance to exactly what extent that they want to recover their project from the privacy crowd. It is a racket, is where I started from.
Twice your response has been of “Google Store”. Somehow I do not seem to communicate that integriry is quite different.
Without any “integrity” I visit Play Store anonymously but do not accept over networked nor privacy disrespecting apps.
Actually I have an FP3 which I could potentially lock but it remains unlocked. I have zero interest in banking via mobile phone.
It is a moving target, but why not for the ones that Murena seemed to have lockable versions? It does not seem to be the none of them work, but Murena has made some of them work. Why do the others not work? Murena was able to make some work.
That being said, it seems that I do not get it,. What can and can not be done when integrity is not had? What is it truly needed for? While you might not use phone for banking, what othr software needs integrity, and can one safely say that most apps will work, regardless if integrety is working?
I would assert that Play Integrity is very much not in the interest of users but is simply part of Google’s attempt to get full control of their project to harvest consumer data. That’s their fat fee for providing hardware manufacturers with a free operating system. Further, perhaps Google’s current direction travel is unwelcome.
But here I am just repeating and enlarging my view.
Why would I need integrity? What software uses/needed it? Will all other software work fine? You have me read things, but the long and short of it is that I am a regular user with a little DIY skills who wants to replace a android or apple phone with a non tracking phone.
Long story short: If an app is checking the integrity status of your phone, it maybe won’t work. But nobody can say that an app will or won’t work on your phone. It all depends on your specific setup (bootloader locked/unlocked, microG-settings, etc.) and the app, and everything can change after an app-/OS-/microG-update.
Thank you @AeroBert I think that you have addressed my unfortunate use of “moving target” when I gave my own opinion for “basic to be confirmed” in Post #4.
But you are asking about a negative facet of Google’s offering from which you would like to be removed.
Is quite difficult to predict. Apps are built in Android Studio; developers using the system are encouraged to take advantage of Play Integrity if they want to take advantage of Google “Trust” (that is Google’s variant of trust), making such apps (increasingly) problematic in a degoogled phone.
Take banking organisations for example, they might choose to use it for their app. However a large number of banks will offer services which work just fine from a Browser.
A very large number of app developers would much rather Keep Android Open. It is apps from such developers that I would prefer to use.
(This presentation is rather alarmist unless read in its entirety.)
So if I understand it correctly, the use of applications is hit and miss. In theory all apps work, but yet it seems it is heavily dependant on your E os set up.
Is this the same for FDroid apps? Is there another source of apps?
I use various apps on my phone so the move to e os would be, possibly, to live with out a variety apps I use/need.
That’s it with Aurora Store/Play Store where the apps depend on Google developers tools. F-Droid is a common source for open source apps that will work on most de-googled devices. And then there is GitHub, where you can sideload .apk’s. If you look at the star-ratings, you can decide, if the app ist trustworthy and safe for your needs.
And besides of that, your last sentence spells the truth: I came from iPhone, and the apple ecosystem seems to be completely perfection. But it’s a walled garden. Very beautiful, if you feel comfortable in it. But if you once see the walls and take a look outside, you feel the need to get rid of it and be free. Maybe for a cost of leisure and beauty, and maybe you will lose this or that app, but there are so many other great solutions outside, much more than in every app store.
This is such a great community with so much wisdom and kind and helpful people, I love to be part of it and help other users wherever I can. And I made the experience that most guys here have the same attitude .
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