Are you sure about that? Didn’t you mistake their use of AWS to do domain fronting with the transfer of data on AWS? Signal’s domain fronting attempts explained
I don’t work at Signal so I can be mistaken. If it is the case could you please point me to some articles, resources, etc? Thanks
Thank you, as soon as I have time I’ll read the article. In any case I don’t need and I don’t want an sms app that goes on the internet to take a ride. I don’t see the purpose of it because it’s sms messaging. I don’t use it to chat: none of my contacts has it. Much better and more widespread Telegram.
Thanks
In any case I don’t need and I don’t want an sms app that goes on the internet to take a ride. I don’t see the purpose of it because it’s sms messaging.
It’s not SMS messaging by default. It’s encrypted messaging over IP between Signal users but falls back to SMS when the recipient is not using Signal. Telegram is optionally encrypted messaging over IP with no SMS fallback option (i.e. only works when both parties use Telegram.) So of SMS, Signal & Telegram, Signal is the most privacy respecting out of the box. Telegram has privacy respecting features which many people don’t use due to inertia. SMS has no privacy respecting features unless both parties use Silence.
If i want to encrypt something, i want to have the control. I want my and only my key to encrypt/decrypt or public/private key. This is the real privacy. Continue to leave your data encrypted by someone in cloud, G8g1&, for example. The cloud has the key to the house it rented to you, not you.
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That’s fair enough but my understanding is that Signal does the encryption/decryption on device. Nothing is stored in the cloud.
half privacy = no privacy
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Yet your earlier posts suggest you are happy to use Telegram & SMS. Curiouser and curiouser!
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where did i write it?
I vote for QKSMS:
Dec '18
Much better and more widespread Telegram.
Apr '19
so what do you deduce?
Well you have said that you don’t want /e/ to include Signal as a default app but would like /e/ to include the less secure Telegram & QKSMS as default apps. Nothing to deduce really. I just find it a curious position.
Please lets keep the discussion related to the topic only and avoid personal comments.
@Manoj: ok
/e/: can include any app, it’s important (for me) that the user is free to decide what to keep on his device.
SMS: i receive a few messages a month without the need for encryption. Mainly for alerts from the bank, credit card, 2-factor authentication, etc. … so in receipt: is there anyone who thinks that I can ask the bank or credit card to use Signal and encrypt sms?
I haven’t found a way to transfer SMS messages between Signal and any other SMS app. Instead I can transfer SMS between 2 traditional SMS apps.
Signal: I don’t know the encryption key. So I don’t have control of it. And I don’t have any contacts using Signal. Secure SMS undeliverable. SMS sent in clear, like QKSMS… Secure chat not possible if my contacts don’t use it.
Not easy to convince someone to replace the sms app. simpler to make it clear that they can add a messaging app like Telegram.
Telegram: if I encrypt the communication is at least as secure as Signal. Larger installations (an order of magnitude, 10x): easier to find contacts. More functions than Signal. IMHO, unparalleled. Telegram isn’t less secure than Signal.
I don’t find anything curious about it. I think that everyone can and should be able to decide.
You can use signal-back to convert your Signal backup to an xml file that you can import with SMS Backup & Restore.
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thank you very much! (currently i’m using Signal… 
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try to see if it might be of interest to you:
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Oksms seems pretty good Maybe /e/ can branch off it and have its own SMS and try to explore a “imessage” like feature between e account. I like the encrypted SMS feature with silence but should default when you have a known contact with say e and silence and is offline. Defs not to signal, with @VitTh on this.
Edited: couldn’t find oksms in my initial search didn’t notice Gael in op saying its open source 
I found that very interesting. Both Signal and Telegram have reasons to be concerned. In the case of Telegram it’s primarily that the E2EE is not used by default and most people won’t fight the inertia and switch it on. So what’s the point of using it? In the case of Signal it’s that US government connection referred to in the link. This is potentially a problem but not yet a proven one. I like both for different reasons but prefer to argue the case for using some sort of E2EE by default. This is why I say Signal over Telegram or SMS. Sadly there is no perfect solution.
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Fully agree.
Telegram is simply plain text stored on their servers. /e/'s and Gael’s continued enthusiasm for it has left me quite confused. Unless I am missing something big, there is no comparison with Signal which is far superior even if less convenient when it comes to desktop sync/backup.
A killer feature would be if the e cloud had an option to backup the Signal folder.
And regarding the funding source, of course we should pay attention to these things. But it should be done without a tinfoil hat(not implying @television is, his post seems balanced) . Governments can invest in tech because they are interested in using the tech e.g. Tor, AES.
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