Why not Firefox as default browser

Hi /e/!

Am I the only one to wonder why Firefox is not the default browser in /e/? Current browser is based, as far as I know, on Chromium.

Why provide a Chromium-based browser that needs to be de-Googleified instead of Firefox, whose philosophy seems more compatible with /e/'s?

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Chromium is open source and firefox not. Firefox needs a lot of resources.
And: there a tons if good browsers available and none is fitting for everyone. You would like to have firefox, alot others want have Foss browser and othets want have qwant browser and so on. You see, e.foundation will never have the right browser

Edit: firefox is now open source as I have learned

It is.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/

Please source this with a comparison to Chromium-based browsers.
Also note that Mozilla has done a great job unbloating Firefox lately. It is now on par with Chromium at many levels.

Sure enough. But among the few mainstream browsers out there, why not choose one that has the same philosophy as /e/ (empowering users instead of stealing their data as a business model)? Why choose a browser (or an engine, as Chromium tends to become) that wants to shape the web Google-way and tries to build a monopoly, something that I thought /e/ was trying to break?

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Sorry, I don’t trust Mozilla, but ygat’s an absolute personal feeling. I don’t use it on Android nor on Linux.

Have a look.on point 3. Why are they collecting data ? And which data ? https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/principles/

no – it’s definitely the other way around!

mozilla was always on of the most important players in the open source wold and somehow lay the ground for many other products, which nowadays look so familiar to us, that we do not see anymore all the radical changes, which where necessary to establish this alternative software ecosystem.

chrome on the other hand was always more a kind of compromise, which we just had to accept, because one or the other feature was not available in the more open browsers or didn’t work as well, but from a privacy or security interested point of view is was never a serious alternative.

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Is there a way to stop trackers from websites I visit in the default e browser? If there is, please let me know. thanks.

In Firefox, one can use add-ons to block trackers, etc. from the websites I visit.

cheers

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Fennec seems to track us : (

(Fennec is Firefox in F-droid)

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.mozilla.fennec_fdroid/

And the same seems to be true for every browser by Mozilla I can find except Firefox Klar, the DACH version of Firefox Focus.

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Yes they ‘was’ but it’s long ago. Now they are tracking us. Or why dies firefox has 3 trackers ? The build in chromium based browser has 0 trackers !
Fennect, based on firefox has also 1 tracker.

So why does mozilla is tracking us ??

the term “tracker” is IMHO often used in very naive and undifferentiated manner here in this forum.

mozilla handles indeed a few details in a way, which may be criticized by some users worrying about privacy – i.e. using cloudflare for encrypted DNS requests via HTTP protocoll as default setting in some regions --, but they still act way more transparent, trustworthy and open than google, android and chrome.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-dns-over-https

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Telemetry
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1197144

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A company which tracking users is not acceptable for me

So how do you handle the websites you go to with all the trackers, beacons, invisible tracking pixels with the default browser is my question?

I tried using the default browser, but there was no option for me to disable the website tracking beacon, invisible tracking pixel, etc. other than disabling javascript, which will render the site useless. So back to my original question, is there any add-ons I can install onto the default browser to block these website trackers?

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Menu > Settings > Site Settings

(using /e/'s default browser)

Do other browsers allow you to customise your privacy settings any better?

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I will never, ever use /e/ browser as long as it is based on Chromium. There are several reasons why and they include Chromium relies on Google to add functionality and they won’t offer any alternative whatsoever. For example, they rely on Google to check and update extensions and for any cloud related stuff (obviously these are not counted as trackers). Now, this may be a matter of who you trust, but it is awkward to have as a goal to degoogle Android and at the same time use Chromium, even if it is a forked version.

This is not only a matter of trust or even how many trackers are included in the build, it goes beyond, expanding the power of Google on the internet, helping them to set de facto standards in the interest of Google that other browsers will need to just follow up because of overwhelming adoption.

Firefox can do everuthing Chromium does. I don’t want to be rude to /e/ but if Debian has no problems with Firefox in terms of openness, security and privacy I’ll go with their decision of including this browser as default instead of /e/'s alienating decision. In the end I don’t think /e/ can be convinced to change its default browser, that’s already decided. I just wanted to express my opinion.

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I’m no expert, but it seems Firefox is clean for Windows. Mac and Linux, but not for Android.

I raised the issue of trackers on more then one Firefox browser on Android with a friend who works for Mozilla, and he was kind of shocked.

But I do agree that it would be better if we used a browser based on a different rendering engine than the one Google favours.

The only Firefox Browser without trackers that I was able to find on Android is Firefox Klar, the German version of Firefox Focus.

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Hi @dotcoma,

I don’t find that menu on my S7 (in French). I don’t find “Configuration de sites”.

Someone may help?

Thanks !

Bonjour!

It should be the third item under ‘Advanced’.

Got it !

Thanks @dotcoma, it was in the /e/ browser parameters not in the general /e/ phone parameters !

:crazy_face:

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So stop using Chromium too. Their trackers are just not the kind that get detected by Exodus, but hell they exist. Fire up Wireshark and just witness how many doubtful requests are triggered to unidentified, Google-owned servers. But that’s all for the greater good of users, right? They’re just pinging their servers to know you exist, use their link pre-fetching and malware-blocking features by sending the links you visit to Google’s servers without giving you any ability to opt out, but hey, who cares?

I’m seriously surprised to see people who care about privacy (especially here) use Chromium at all.

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