/e/OS S10 compatibly (SM-G973F vs SM-G973F/DS)

Hi,

I am brand new to the world of e, so please forgive me if a similar question was already answered; I couldn’t find a 100% answer after extensive searching.
I want to get a Samsung S10 and install e OS on it. For this I want to order the correct phone. Unfortunately, the single SIM model (SM-G973F) seems really difficult to get, new, second hand or refurbished. There is however a ton of phones available with dual sim. Depending on how accurate the vendor is they are called SM-G973F DUOS, SM-G973F dual sim or SM-G973F/DS.
So my first question would be: Are all these phones the same version?
And more importantly, are they all compatible with e os?
I know there are a couple of threads about the F/DS version and it seems like it works. I am not an advanced user - I can follow tutorials just fine but if there is any troubleshooting to do that is not for me. So I need it to work as is.
Can someone please confirm if it will work with these dual sim versions?

Thank you so much for your help!

Cheers,
h

Hi @hoellenschwarz welcome to the forum.

The way I checked the answer to your question is to check https://doc.e.foundation/devices search for Galaxy S10, click the link to the info page … scroll to the foot of the page … to this section:

Models Supported
SM-G973F
Other models are not supported

I would really take that as the answer … but … then I checked the LineageOS wiki for the device

where we see

Models Supported
SM-G973F
SM-G973F/DS
SM-G973N

/e/OS is a fork of LineageOS but with, loosely speaking, added more complex components; it is not a given that if a device variant works on LineageOS it will work correctly on /e/OS.

If you have seen threads on the forum here mentioning the SM-G973F/DS model you might directly ask there about their experience.

(Another possibility … https://download.lineage.microg.org/beyond1lte/ is supported by https://lineage.microg.org/ … another OS closer to /e/OS but significantly different in that /e/OS offers https://murena.com/cloud/ … but in this case I do not find a “Supported models” section … so this offers no certainty.)

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Hi aibd,

Thank you a lot for the welcome and the input.
It is good to know that in the worst case I could install lineage instead of e, I didn’t know that.
I’ll also look into the microg solution just in case - of course I’d rather have e os.

Cheers,
h

If you are minded to “have a go” … I think it is worth linking two threads

It is something of an unknown, did the early adopters of SM-G973F/DS in the first link suffer from a “dual SIM issue” or simply from the more general difficulties of this “newer generation” of Samsung ? The second link is worth careful study.

This generation of Samsungs is beyond my hands on experience; I have a feeling users following https://doc.e.foundation/devices/beyond1lte/install might have underestimated the great importance of the Pre-Install Instructions.

Please be aware of the advice at the start of the page …

Please read through the instructions at least once before actually following them.

I prefer … Please read through the instructions at least three times … :slight_smile:

Good luck.

Your device is supported,
don’t forget the network connexion when unlocking the bootloader,
don’t forget the vbmeta step,
be precise with finger timing when rebooting from dow’load mode to recovery mode for the first time…

Some illustrations here

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Thank you for all the answers.
I ordered what is supposed to be a F/DS. For some reason it is surprisingly difficult to get clear information about the model number; I ended up with a US version two times. Let’s see if third time is the charm. If it the right phone this time I will report back how it goes with the installation.

Hello,

I have got my phone and I managed to successfully install /e/OS on it. It was not exactly straightforward and took a couple of hours, but I have it now. So I thought I share my experience if someone is trying with the same device. And to be clear, it is only my experience; I am no expert in any way so take that into consideration.

Phone: Galaxy S10 dual sim, Model nr: SM-G973F/DS
Other software used: Windows 11, Odin v.3.13, TWRP 3.7.0

Since I use a Windows PC I decided to follow this tutorial instead of using Heimdall, which does not seem to work well on Windows: [HOWTO] Install /e/ on a Samsung smartphone with Windows easily

The short description that worked in the end for me is as follows:

  • upgrade the stock OS to Android 12
  • enable wifi (I wanted to keep the phone offline but it seems that certain follow up steps do not work this way)
  • enable developer options and USB debugging (I am not sure if it is necessary for this tutorial but didn´t hurt)
  • did not get the option for OEM unlock so I followed step 3.5 in the tutorial
  • downloaded and installed ODIN
  • phone was not recognized by ODIN so followed point 7 to install drivers
  • restarted Phone into Download mode (Vol down and Bixby and connecting USB cable)
  • downloaded TWRP and moved it to the phone as described
  • now this may be interesting for others: Here I came across a problem that was not described in the tutorial. Odin said it was successful in installing TWRP; but my phone was stuck in Download mode with an error message “recovery error validating footer”. Restarting the phone and any of the possible button combinations did nothing but throw it back to Download mode with the same error message. After I while I found the solution here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/recovery-official-3-6-1-x-twrp-for-galaxy-s10-e-5g-exynos.4180287/ , more specifically point 10 and 11: A file called vbmeta.tar must also be downloaded and moved into the CP tab of Odin - started ODIN again and this time I could boot into TWRP
  • rest easy as described - wipe, move the e-os file, install, restart

I might have skipped steps but I really mostly followed the tutorial except the additional file for TWRP that was necessary.

I have not tested the functions of the phone yet; but will do that over the next days/weeks.

Cheers,
h

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does not cover recent Samsung since Galaxy s8 or (android 8 based)

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Hello everyone,

many thanks to piero & hoellenschwarz for your detailed documentation!

I successfully installed e/OS on my S10 (SM-G973F/DS) yesterday. This was the first time I installed a custom Rom on my own and thanks to your advice it went very smoothly. I used Windows 11, Odin 3.14.4, TWRP 3.7.0 and followed the links you recommended:
[HOWTO] Install /e/ on a Samsung smartphone with Windows easily
[HOWTO] an Unified Install Guide Project for /e/

For other beginners who may find themselves in the same situation as me at some point, I would like to record the few stumbling blocks I encountered here:

  1. the vbmeta.tar file was mentioned on the TWRP page for beyond1lte, but not offered for download. Instead, it is available in the xda thread mentioned above.
  2. the download mode did NOT start with the specified key combination (hold Volume Down + Home + Power). Someone had posted a solution at xda: First press and hold Volume Down + Home and meanwhile then connect the USB-C cable first to the mobile phone and then to the PC.
  3. at step 8 “Install /e/ with TWRP” I actually wanted to use the ADB sideload method. For some reason unknown to me, the command “adb sideload e-0.11-n-2020082970471-dev-your-device.zip” (with the correct file name, checked with “dir”) resulted in an error message (unfortunately I forgot to write it down). The manual transfer of the installation file to the internal memory was then the solution.

Good luck to the potential successors and thanks again to all the pioneers.
Greetings
Siebenstern

and Hooray DeepL :slight_smile:

In French, i am not ok in english, i prefer write in french, sorry.

Bonjour,

Je vous fais un retour concernant la problématique GPS/batterie/charge sur SAMSUNG S10 avec E/OS ANDROID 14.

J’ai racheté un autre S10 d’occasion natif système SAMSUNG pour faire des essais afin de comprendre la problématique si tant est qu’elle soit.

En préalable, nous sommes partis en vacances (itinérance vélo) avec utilisation du GPS en VIA Michelin avec alimentation via la voiture pour le voyage → Aucune capacité a tenir la durée d’un voyage de 3 heures, en fait l’alimentation n’est pas suffisante par rapport à la consommation du GPS (diminution du taux de charge de la batterie au fur et à mesure du voyage et surchauffe forte du S10).
A un moment, nous avons mis celui de mon épouse (SAMSUNG S10 également sous ANDROID SAMSUNG), là, aucun problème, la batterie monte à 100% tout en ayant le GPS en marche et température normale du Samsung.

Lors de l’itinérance en vélo avec KOMOOT / GPS en mode “Hors ligne”, là pareil, aucune tenue convenable de la batterie. Nécessité de mettre en marche le GPS et l’appareil de manière parcimonieuse.

Comme indiqué plus autre, je me suis racheté un Samsung S10 d’occasion (j’aime rester sur les mêmes modèles, c’est plus simple !!!) et fait une réinitialisation complète de celui-ci et installation au stricte identique de celui sous E/OS et j’ai fait des tests pour comprendre.

Résultat des tests (à alimentation identique ou niveau de charge de départ identique et utilisation identique).

VIA michelin / GPS / Hors ligne avec batterie 100% sans charge :

→ S10 sous Samsung ANDROID 12 versus S10 sous E/OS : Au bout de 3 heures, la charge du E/OS est à 7% alors que pour Samsung Android 12, elle est encore à 31% avec présence de surchauffe du E/OS alors que la température est plus faible pour le Samsung Android 12 .

VIA michelin / GPS / Hors ligne en charge :

→ S10 sous Samsung ANDROID 12 (départ batterie à 31%) versus S10 sous E/OS (départ batterie à 7%) : le E/OS ne réussit pas à charger ou alors très lentement bien qu’il soit en mode avion alors que le Samsung Android 12 monte en charge sans problème.
Globalement, le rapport de capacité de charge est dans un rapport de 1 à 5 (quand l’E/OS monte de 1 point, l’autre monte de 5 points - Chargeurs/cordons identique, y compris en les inversant à certains moments pour vérification).

Remarques :

J’ai vérifié tous les réglages de l’un et de l’autre pour les aspects consommations et mis à “l’optimum” et identique (faible éclairage écran). Il s’avère que l’E/OS sur Samsung S10 gère très mal la gestion de l’alimentation, voir la vitesse processeur quand il n’y a pas besoin de puissance. En tout cas, c’est ce qu’il m’en semble au travers de sa consommation, de sa surchauffe, de sa capacité à monter en charge avec le GPS.
Il semble que Samsung intègre pour son S10 une couche d’optimisation de la consommation, dont par exemple une option de limiter la puissance processeur à 70% de ces capacités, de mettre l’écran dans un mode “basse résolution” et bien d’aitres choses non visibles.

De même, les tests étaient plutôt défavorable au Samsung Android 12, ayant la carte SIM installée, les deux étant en Wifi.

Voilà, je voulais vous faire ce retour qui peut peut-être vous être utile.